The disastrous start of the Cleveland Cavaliers and Oklahoma City Thunder continued this season in the NBA after two new defeats on Thursday night.
Last season's Cavaliers suffered their fifth defeat in five games with a 110-103 loss to Detroit Pistons, who have maintained their perfect record in four encounters so far.
The Cavaliers had only 39 points and four rebounds led by Kyle Corver.
The Cavaliers have suffered since LeBron James left for the Los Angeles Lakers, which happened when he went to Miami Heat in 2010.
Cavaliers failed to reach the playoffs in four seasons after James' departure, and when he returned in 2014 he reached the final four consecutive times and won the title in 2016.
The Pistons continued to shine with their new coach, Dwyane Casey, who was fired by the Toronto Raptors despite winning the best coach of the season.
This is the best start to the Pistons since the 2008-2009 season and will look for the fifth victory when the Boston Celtics hosts, Saturday.
In another game, Thunder had only one point in the last four minutes and 14 seconds, against 16 for Celtics to lose 101-95.
This is the worst start for Thunder since he changed his name from the Seattle SuperSonics, and moved to Oklahoma City in 2008.
The team are in last place in the Western Division after the defeat in the first four games.
Thanderer was not affected by the arrival of Russell Westbrook from injury to the top of his level, although scoring 13 points, the 29-year-old was only a modest success rate in the correction of 25 percent, and failed to make any three-shot in five attempts.
On the other hand, Jason Tatum scored 24 points for Celtic, who had their third victory in five games.
